and you thought you knew.. Symphony in DeMeanor
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'I think getting some great responses to our music from around the world has been a real high.
The internet has really opened up the world, and when you get an email from someone thousands of miles away, across an ocean, telling you that they loved something you have created, it doesn't get much better.'
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Symphony in DeMeanor, are without doubt, one of the best and most musically accomplished bands EVER to have come out of Canada.. correction... North America! Their debut CD 'Symphony in DeMeanor' contains only six tracks, which is a crime, but those six tracks are among the best written, composed, performed, and produced tracks that I have ever heard in my life! And, like alot of artists who produce brilliant music, they don't appear to realize quite what they have done! Their music is very Beatles, very ELO, very Queen, and very very Symphony in DeMeanor... George Martin would be walking on air had he produced this album and as he didn't, Symphony in DeMeanor surely must be! We got Rob Vermeulen to nip across to Alberta where he could be justifiably interrogated and forced to confess his sins... only then would he quite easily answer the inevitable questions...
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The Interview - November 2004 |
| Welcome to IOM Rob.. can we begin with you giving us the Official history of Symphony in DeMeanor |
I guess it all started back in elementary school playing the recorder, and learning rhythm with the ta-ta-ti-ti-ta method. I grew up surrounded by music, listening to everything from classical, to Johnny Cash, to The Beatles, to instrumental stuff. I always wanted to be a drummer, but when I joined a band in school, there were too many drummers, so I ended up playing trumpet!
One day I picked up my brother's acoustic guitar, and many bleeding fingers later, actually could play a few chords! It wasn't a great guitar and the steel strings were like a half inch off of the neck! My parents always had a piano in the house too, so I would plunk away on that as well.
I can pick things up quite quickly, which is a blessing as well as a curse. It meant that I could get bored easily, and rather than stick with an instrument and learn it really well, I would move on to different instruments all the time.
Tom and I met through Scott, a mutual friend who always had a band happening. I started off as drummer I think, then bass guitar. Not sure, it's a bit of a blur. Anyways, that eventually progressed into an original band and Tom and I began writing songs together. After the band split Tom and I continued to write stuff, always saying we'd eventually record it one day. That day finally arrived, which is another great story, and Tom and I started recording a track called Lonely Fool. As we recorded we initially used synthesized drums, then thought we'd like to have a real kit on it. As it happened, Mike was in the studio at the same time working on another project and Tom asked him if he would mind laying down the drum track for this song of ours. Mike, great guy that he is, said sure. Then we realized that we wanted a guitar solo, and Tom asked Bruce, who Tom knew from previous studio work. While Bruce was recording guitar tracks, Mike happened to drop by the studio unexpectedly, ended up putting the tambourine part on, and with the four of us in a room together for the first time, you could feel that a band had just been born.
Tom, Bruce and Mike are all fantastic guys, and very talented. It's incredible to be a part of this group and I feel very fortunate. |
| What would you say have been your pivotal musical influences? |
We really just write and record whatever sounds good to us. We're all on the same page pretty much musically, so it's very easy. Our sound is fairly retro I think, because of our influences, which do show through we're often told, but we do strive to sound like ourselves, whatever that may be, haha. Like most musicians we were influenced by The Beatles. I think we also were influenced production-wise by Sir George Martin (yes, there's The Beatles again), as well as bands like Queen, Pink Floyd, E.L.O., Supertramp, and the like.
As for inspiration we really just strive to make something we like ourselves. We have always figured if we like it, hopefully there's a few more people out there like us that like it too, and if not, well we had a lot of fun making it anyways, so we're still ahead! |
| What could you tell us about “high points” in your musical career? |
I think getting some great response from around the world to our music has been a real high. The internet has really opened up the world, and when you get an email from someone thousands of miles away, across an ocean, telling you that they loved something you have created, it doesn't get much better.
Another great time was years ago, that first band I talked about (it was called 10PM ) put out an EP (back in the days of vinyl, yes.) We sent it to West Germany and a song I co-wrote with Scott MacKeigan got playlisted on Radio C in what was West Germany at the time. They sent us the playlist and we were listed ahead of Bryan Adams' “Diana” !! (This is really dating me, isn't it) That was pretty cool. I still have that playlist they sent us, packed away in a box somewhere. |
| How about low points? |
| Really nothing that comes to mind readily. I think if you put things into perspective and rather than say “that was a bad experience”, use it as a positive learning experience, it can do wonders for you. We all have horror stories I am sure about some bad live performance or whatever. Well rather than write it off as a bad thing, never to be mentioned again, think about how it can better your next performance. That kind of attitude makes a huge difference to maintaining a healthy attitude in a business that loves to chew people up and spit them out. |
| If you could turn the clocks back, is there anything you would have done differently? |
| Years ago Tom and I sent demos in to A & M Records. They were just piano/vocal demos, not even recorded well at all. They wrote back that they liked the songs and could we send in the songs again in full demo state, ie. With a band. We never did. Years later when people heard of the positive response we got from A & M, which was apparently rare, they told us we were idiots for not following that up. In hindsight, I guess we were idiots, haha. |
| Who did you work with on your most recent projects and what would they be? |
Symphony in DeMeanor is me (Rob Vermeulen), Tom Carter, Bruce Carrick and Mike Michalkow. Our debut CD has just been manufactured, and we're in the process of releasing it.
As soon as we get the shopping cart thing working on our website it will be available there. Seriously, that PayPal shopping cart icon is starting to drive us nuts. It isn't working the way it is supposed to, or we're not doing something right. Waiting for that email from their support department, haha.
We really are proud of the CD… I think it turned out the way we heard it in our minds. Those songs are finally their own entity and can survive on their own. I imagine it's like having kids move out of the house. You've done what you can for them, and given them as much of yourself as you can, but now it's up to them to face the world on their own. They might do well, they might not, but they're still yours and you're proud of them regardless.
We're also starting to track ideas and get some pre-production work done on the next release, so that's very refreshing. We learned a lot in the making of this one, which should help us tremendously in this next release. (See, turn a positive into something good. We could tell you horror stories about recording the first one, haha) |
| If you could pick a favourite track from your recent work what would it be? |
Actually I am pleased with how each and every one of them turned out. If not, we wouldn't have released them. We're fairly picky, so if we don't like something it gets fixed, or deleted. Sometimes that's a curse, as things can take forever that shouldn't, but it's always worth it in the long run.
If I had to single one out I'd have to say I am really proud of Another Birthday, as I think it's a beautiful song that says so much. It's very sad, and when we first started playing it, it was difficult to get through. Now we've played it so much we became immune, haha. It does make a good statement though, about society, and how we seem to have forgotten about our seniors. |
| What musical instruments/equipment do you normally use? |
WAY too much to mention, haha. Plus we like to have a few secrets, wink wink, nudge nudge.
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| Do you have a favourite instrument either as a player or appreciator? |
I've always fancied the Kazoo. In that previous band (10PM) I actually put a kazoo solo in one my tracks. It was a lot of fun!
I have a harmonica that I'm very fond of, and I just picked up a Fender Squier Starfire Semi-Hollow Body guitar which I'm quite liking. Might even convince Bruce to use it on a song or two, haha |
| Can you remember your first stage and/or studio experience? |
First studio trip was horrible! (but yes, a learning experience, haha). It was a long time ago. Tom, myself, and our friend Scott went to a studio in Kelowna , BC to record a song called Lost Their Way. It's the song that we later re-recorded and was played in West Germany on Radio C. At the time, I was the drummer, Tom was keyboards including a bass line on keys, and Scott was guitar and lead vocals.
I intended to use the drum kit at the studio rather than travel with my own kit (which was lousy anyways). Turns out the studio didn't have a kit available so we ended up using a Dr. Rhythm drum synthesizer. Scott's guitar developed a buzz, so it ended up with a match between the string and nut. Those are just a few of the fun things that happened that day. It was embarrassing at the time, and extremely funny now, haha. The guys working in the studio thought it was funny at the time, despite trying to hide their laughter, haha. Good times… |
| What five albums would you want to find if you were stranded on a desert island with enough food, water, a copy of IOM, an amazing audio/video editing suite, and the world's first thought controlled CD player? |
| The Beatles – Abbey Road; Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon; Supertramp – Even in the Quietest Moments; Cat Stevens – Tea For The Tillerman; John Lennon - Imagine. |
| Do you have a favourite album cover of all time? |
| That's a tough question. I like Dark Side of the Moon for its simplicity. I like Sgt. Pepper for its originality. Probably the album cover that means the most to me though is Abbey Road. |
| and what, may we ask, are the five albums you listened to most recently? |
| Diana Krall – Live in Paris ; Rolling Stones – Rock and Roll Circus; The Who – Live at Leeds ; Nirvana – Unplugged in New York ; Cowboy Junkies – The Trinity Session. |
| What five movies did you watch most recently? |
| The Recruit; What's Eating Gilbert Grape; The Postman Fights Back; The Corruptor; October Sky. (Can you tell I watch DVD's?) |
| Which artist would you most like to meet or borrow a bag of sugar from as a next door neighbour? |
| Would have liked the opportunity to talk to John Lennon. |
| If you could have been responsible for writing the best song or piece of music ever written, what would it be? |
| Actually I'm satisfied with the stuff I HAVE written! |
| If you could have three wishes, what would they be? |
That I could have a hundred wishes.
That I could have a thousand wishes.
That I could have a million wishes. |
| On to the more intimate side of Mr Vermuelen.. what did you dream about last night AND you can't say 'I do not remember'... |
| That I wrote side 2 of Abbey Road and was cashing the royalty cheque, haha. |
| And, if we were to “shadow” you on a typical day, what might we do? |
| Well, that depends on the day. I don't think I've ever had a typical day! |
| What did you do, the day before yesterday? |
| I can't remember what I did 10 minutes ago, and you're asking about 2 days ago ?!?! |
| If someone were to tell you to pack your bags and 'never come back' what would you take? |
| Nothing but a healthy outlook on life and clean underwear! |
| What bugs you most? |
| I don't eat liver, does that count? |
| What makes your day really shine? |
| Well now that's just way too personal, haha. I'm generally a happy person, so any day I wake up alive is a good day. I'd have to say writing music, when it's working, is very satisfying. A sunny day, an open highway, and a full tank of gas in my motorbike is also wonderful! |
| I hate to end it all like this Rob but.. finally, what are your plans for 2004? |
| Will be working towards our next release. Am happy to say I am writing and feeling inspired which is always a good thing. Really looking forward to promoting our debut release, while working on the next one. |
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Rob Vermeulen of Symphony in Demeanor was interviewed by Colin Lynch - November 2004
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